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About Quiz: #431. 1902/03 gasoline Toledo



Probably we just gave enough clues this time as the good answered popped in one after another. We better leave the word to the judges who concluded it is a 1902/1903 Toledo with 16 or 18 HP gasoline engine. Bob Swanson, Fried Stol, Ariejan Bos. Still there was one competitor who came up with a very interesting discussion. And as we only suggested Toledo in our original question without having a rocksolid evidence we like you to see that's the whole isssue is soemwhat complicates.  See Leon's (far too long so not winning but most interesting answer below). 

" The car is most likely a 1903 18 h.p. Toledo Gasoline Touring car, built by the International Motor Car Co. of Toledo, Ohio, and advertised in journals like the Horseless Age in early 1903. Toledo had previously built steam cars.
      Beware, however, that the car may be something entirely different. The American Bicycle Co. (often referred to by the press of the day as "The Bicycle Trust" - in the nastiest possible way) was formed in 1899 by clever, rich people involved with the bicycle industry to try to salvage something from the catastrophic crash of the industry in the late 1890s. The ABC was doomed from the beginning: almost all the businesses that joined the trust wanted payment in cash rather than shares in the new company. Some companies making cars were caught up in the ABC, and these were organised, within the ABC into the International Motor Car Co. Elsewhere in the ABC motorcycles were produced from 1902. Exactly the same machine was marketed under no fewer than SEVEN brands (Columbia, Crescent, Tribune, Imperial, Monarch, Cleveland, Rambler). In 1903, Rambler, Crescent, Imperial and Monarch motorcycles were completely different beasts, sourced from a different manufacturer, while the Columbia, Tribune and Cleveland stuck to the 1902 design.
      In late 1903, Col. A. A. Pope (who had sold his companies to the ABC in 1899, been a director of the ABC, quit as director, bought back in to the ABC, and acted as Receiver for the ABC) finally bought the rubble of the ABC at a tiny fraction of the 1899 capitalisation. Sound dodgy? Mmm... In September 1903 Pope had formed a new Pope Mfg Co, and ordered all ex-ABC businesses to change the branding to "Pope Mfg Co" as soon as practically possible. Thus Pope-Toledo from late 1903.
     This may explain why there are Toledo Gasoline cars that look NOTHING like our quiz car, and why we shouldn't rule out that our quiz car carried another of the ABC/International Motor Car Co. brands."

This weeks winner is Sandra Miller, with a most efficient and correct answer. Congratulations Sandra! 
Special thanks to Ted Olsen and to Ariejan Bos who provided us with information and contemporary car-magazine copies. Interestingly the openings on the side of the bonnet are small in the 1902 picture shown in the Motor World. No openings seen on the photo of The Automobile Review. And never as much as with our car... Did they experiment with 'louvres' due to cooling issues. 

Next week another quiz at PreWarCar.com. Today a new challenge at PostWarClassic.com 

(photo collection editor)

Publié:
vendredi octobre 21st, 2016
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22 Octobre 2016, 06:04
Jury member Fried opens the proverbial can of worms when he refers to A. A. Pope as "Lieutenant Colonel Albert Augustus Pope (Union Army, Civil War)". Controversial in the 1865, controversial now! At the end of the civil war, Pope's apparent rank was Captain, but Pope (and probably others) were given "brevetted promotions" before being discharged - no pay increase, no military status, just kudos for later life. Pope claims to have been promoted to major then lieutenant colonel on a single day, 13 March 1865. Pope insisted on being referred to as "Colonel" for the rest of his life.
The joke was that A. A. Pope's cousin George Pope was a real Colonel during the civil war. George was a director in various Pope and ABC companies, but never used his title in civilian life, even though he was fully entitled to do so. It's said that A.A.P. always referred to his cousin as "Colonel George"! No info on what George called Albert!

Just a minor correction to the Toledo chronology. The earliest Toledo steam cars (November 1900) were made by the Automobile Department of the American Bicycle Company. In late December 1901, the ABC restructured and formed two "under companies": the American Cycle Manufacturing Company (capital $8 million, to make bicycle and motorcycles) and the International Motor Car Company (capital $2 million, to make cars), so from early 1902 Toledo cars were made by the International Motor Car Co. As mentioned earlier, Pope bought the ashes of the ABC during 1903.
By the way (don't mention the ABC and expect me to keep to 100 words!!) When the ABC was formed in 1899 from some 45 companies its capitalisation was a truly amazing $30 million dollars - in 1899 dollars. When Pope bought it back in 1903 he paid $3.5 million. That's business for you.
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