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About what is it? Quiz #476: 1907 Nordenfelt

Last week`s quiz turned out not to be so easy. There were some good answers, but there were also a couple of ones that were not correct. The pre-war in the photograph is not a B.S.A 27/43 as Richard thought. Neither is it a 1908 DeDion Bouton with a small V-8 engine. Next time better Donald!

Five people in total gave the correct answer. The car in the photograph is indeed a 1907 Nordenfelt as amongst others George answered correctly. Gerd said: "the car is a 30/35 CV and that the history of the marque is rather mysterious." Something we totally agree with, as we also found it difficult to find information about Nordenfelt cars. As we said earlier, this pre-war is still on the road in South Africa. But this is not where it is originally was built.

Fried told us the following: "different sources claim it was made in Belgium others say France and made between 1906 and 1907 at Société Usines Prunel in Puteaux after that till the end of 1909 on an unknown location. Aiming for distribution in Belgium, rumour has it that components were made by Cockerill of Liège, but they denied any involvement. Engines came from Bariquand et Marre. English bodies supplied by Hewers or Withers, this is probably one of them." Gerd added more about the various models: "Nordenfelt offered several models (12, 16, 20, 24/30, 30/35 and 40/45 CV), all powered by four-cylinder engines from Barriquand & Marre." And Robbie also mentioned that: "Nordenfelt’s sales in the UK were carried out by the former racing driver Clifford Earp."

Simon Thomas told us more about the specific car we see in the photographs: "this 1907 Nordenfelt originally registered IJ 200 in County Down, Northern Ireland. After period use it ended up in a factory in Bessbrook carting steel from one factory to another. Discovered by John Scott of Belfast in the late 1960s it was sold to Mike Holt in 1986. He had a full restoration completed." We must honestly say we do not know for sure if this correct, but it might well be.

As Gerd Klioba also this week gave us the most complete answer he is the winner of last week`s quiz. Congratulations Gerd, you receive the full 5 points!

The top 3 in the six-month competition, sponsored by Hans Compter Rare Cars:

1: Gerd Klioba with 35 points.

2: Fried Stol with 28 points.

3: Frits Hegemann with 21 points.

Words by the editor. Photograph sent in by a PreWarCar.com enthusiast.

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samedi août 18th, 2018
Kieran White
18 Août 2018, 01:13
I concur with Simon. I saw the car in John Scott’s premises in Comber in Co. Down in 1971 when I bought a 1930 Morris Minor Semi-Sports 2 seater from him. The place was a treasure trove with all kinds of vintage cars including four Lancia armoured trucks from the early 20s. Jimmy Boland looked at the Nordenfeld but decided against it.
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Ray Scott
23 Janvier 2024, 00:13
My dad bought the car from Bessbrook Mill in, I think, 1967. It had the rear wheels set in concrete and the prop-shaft drove a belt attached to the overhead shaft. This powered the machinery from around 1938 for two decades. Much of the bodywork was gone from the bulkhead back. The engine is massive by todays standards and I do remember it took four men to carry the heavy radiator when it went for refurbishment.
Dad did a lot of research into its history and found out that only 20 Nordenfelt cars were ever produced and, yes, it was of Belgian origin. I believe in 1908 or 1909 Nordenfelt then switched to making armoured cars—not surprising if you look at the chassis. Information from Belgian and French motor museums led us to believe that this is the only surviving Nordenfelt car in existence. I know there was a photograph of it arriving in 1906, I believe at Belfast Docks prior to delivery to a prominent North Down family. It may still be possible to get a copy from the newspaper archives.
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