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An ordinary (mysterious) Monday

The alarm clock goes, time to wake up! After a fun weekend, it is time to go back to work (or school). Maybe you have other appointments. But first something far more important! The mystery on PreWarCar.com!

This photograph was taken during an airplane meeting at Bar-le-Duc, in Augustus 1910. In the background, you see an Avion Voisin biplane. The pilot is the well-known early aviation pioneer François Louis Gaudart. Who became after he graduated as an electrical engineer interested in aviation. He learned how to fly and made his first flight on the 27th of March 1909 in one of the Ligue's Voisins. Later he worked, among other things, as a test pilot for different manufacturers. On the 15th of April 1913, he lost control over a plane, after which it crashed into the sea near Monaco. François Louis Gaudart died tragically and prematurely at the age of 27.

Let`s talk about the pre-war on this photograph. The story goes that a couple of aviation pioneers bought this car at the shop of Roland Garros, rue de la Grande Armée, Paris. But what is the make of the car? That is what we would like to know. If you click on the second photograph you see the original (larger) photo. We have already heard some suggestions. Can it be a Grégoire or a 4 liter Chenard & Walker? Or do you think it is something totally different? Please comment below if you can tell us more about the pre-war on this photograph.

Photograph sent in by Philippe Ladure.

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lundi mars 19th, 2018
PHILIPPE LADURE
22 Mars 2018, 18:05
May be a link can be made between Gaudart, Garros and Gregoire, but not with Bugatti on this picture. Is there any expert to identify this car?
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Leslie Verpoorte
22 Mars 2018, 10:50
Back in the running? It must be a Grégoire! Why should it be a Grégoire?
For that simply and logical reason that Roland Garros, after been graduated at the age of 21, Roland Garros was recruited by Grégoire.
He is at 21-year-old business manager, and agent of Grégoire in the shop he has opened close to the 'Arc de Triomphe' in Paris with the welcomed sign "Roland Garros automobiles – voiturettes de sport", located at 6 avenue of the Grand Army
At this time, he designed a tubular car with the "Tub or baquet" Grégoire, a chassis on which two seats were set. This must be that famous Grégoire!
After the sale of these Grégoire he supposedly acquired the Bugatti Type 18, which was renamed the Black Bess. Could this car be the 16/24CV, with bore 80, but with a remarkably long run of 160 mm? This car, based on a former race cart, had a very sporty character. Unfortunately, I have no more technical specifications of this Grégoire.
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Leslie Verpoorte
22 Mars 2018, 09:39
The only picture in my collection from Roland Garros, was probably taken around 1910. It shows Roland Garros in a Bugatti Type 18, also know as 'La Garros', this is definitely not a Bugatti. So! Looking further is the message.
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