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Historical cars - facts and figures in defence of our driving heritage

Recently, there was a conference of the FFVE about the current situation and the FFVE's efforts for the defence and preservation of our driving heritage. Here, classic car enthusiast Guy Mahy discusses the likely evolution within our classic car world based on figures as well as an approach based on the categorisation of the older vehicles.

 

The numbers: current figures and their likely evolution

 

When we talk about figures, we are talking about the number of enthusiasts, the number of vehicles and the impact on the figures for business and employment in the sector. We use these to put pressure on politicians and society regarding our share in air pollution. This is said to be very limited because our vehicle usage is low, the vehicles are well maintained and there are few diesel vehicles. One might wonder whether this negligible pollution is defensible at a time when our society urges each citizen to reduce their ecological footprint as much as possible. However, is it the right 'price' to ask for the preservation of a mobile and industrial heritage that the government cannot and probably will not interfere with?

 

Youngtimers

 

Focusing on the number of enthusiasts and vehicles could be to our advantage at a time when fossil fuels are being phased out. Some countries are aiming for 2030! The possibility of registering a youngtimer (20 to 30 years old) with the FIVA is perhaps changing as well. The question is: do youngtimers and maybe also recent classics — 30 years or older — belong in our world?

The inclusion of youngtimers will significantly increase the number of kilometres driven and undermine our argument that we pollute little. For, apart from the increased number, it is the number of diesel vehicles that will weaken our position.

Before 1980, diesels were mainly used as commercial vehicles. I do not have figures on the 'private use of diesel cars' for the period before 1980, but they will be very low. Diesel only found its way into private use after the petroleum crisis of 1972, when petrol became very expensive. Diesel, however, remained relatively cheap, which compensated for the higher purchase cost of the diesel car. Later, performance improved considerably and the diesel won its place next to the petrol car. It is therefore quite logical that in the current classic car fleet, diesel cars are rarely to be found.

Below are a few figures showing private use only. Private use only, because we can assume that these cars were used less intensively and therefore have a better chance of reaching the classic car market. They refer to France only, but are in line with many other (European) countries. In the United Kingdom, Italy and Germany the figures are slightly more favourable.

 

Total number of passenger cars (PC) versus diesel cars (DC) (France only)

1900 1,672 PC, DC zero
1940 1,900,000 PC, DC prototypes /some small production at Peugeot, Daimler and Citroën
1960 6,240,000 PC, DC commercial (mainly taxis) / private almost zero
1975 diesel finds its way into the private sector
1980 20,990,000 PC, of which 1,000,000 DC
1990 27,758,000 PC, of which 3,520,000 DC
2000 33,090,000 PC, of which 9,980,000 DC
2020 32,033,000 PC, of which 19,500,000 DC

 

Before 1975, there was little private diesel use. In 1980 less than 5%, in 1990 13%, in 2000 more than 30% and today 60%. In the UK, Germany and Italy this figure is between 51% and 54%.

The cars that are now being named as classic cars are just over 30 years old and date from the period 1980-1990, a period when diesel cars accounted for 10% of private use. Diesel will become more and more prevalent in the youngtimers (20 to 30 years old) that are coming in now. By registering the youngtimer, petrol or diesel, now, FIVA gives them the right to become 'historic' at the age of 30. FIVA justifies this registration of youngtimers because it will enable young people to participate in the classic car scene with a cheaper purchase. Is this a credible argument? The market regularly shows that cars from the 20s and 30s are cheaper than VW or Renault from the 90s if one compares similar popular brands and types from their time. Moreover, reality shows that it is not only the young and the less well-off who get behind the wheel of a youngtimer.

Will the acceptance of the youngtimer devaluate the historical driving heritage? When FIVA was founded in 1966 by the then head of the club (almost inevitably a pre-war car enthusiast), 25 years was stipulated. Since 1966, the life of 'the automobile' has evolved from 70 years (1896-1966) to 125 years (1896-2021); in the same period, the vintage car has evolved from 25 to 30 years. The initially well-intentioned relationship is lost.

'Historical' is an adjective that must make sense. There must be content: 'historic' is defined as 'an important moment in the history or evolution of a community or sector; a turning point'. In this sense, 1940 is not an automotive historical moment! It is a political moment. In 1940, automobile production stopped and it started again in 1946/47 with the same concepts and methods as before. 1960, on the other hand, could be seen as a pivotal moment. Before and just after the war most cars were an assembly of a chassis, an engine and bodywork. The war put everything on hold until 1948 and 1949, when the innovations of a few manufacturers went into production, while the majority continued to work on the basis of the familiar, with a general turnaround in the 1950s.

 

The use of a robot

 

The changed production possibilities, driven by a high demand for cars, led to the use of robots (General Motors 1961). In 1961, the robot helps to apply parts, but is not yet part of the construction apparatus. This becomes a fact around 1968. Here we can speak of a turning point, a historical moment. The evolution is more of a standardisation and the application of 'gadgets' that increase comfort until we reach the stage today where the car becomes (almost) self-propelled. Based on this approach, 1968/1970 is a pivotal moment that should be taken into account when talking about a historic vehicle. I am not saying that after 1970 there are no more vehicles of historic interest. The coachbuilders and the manufacturers, especially the smaller ones who do not like mass production, often make the difference and can be considered historic.

 

A system of categories

 

By setting a fixed date, e.g. 1970 (a bit radical) one immediately solves the problems of air pollution by diesel, the number of recent classics and the many kilometres. The question that remains is whether there will be enough of us to enforce the availability of traditional fuels if the electric car wins out over the rest.

Without the fixed date, categories need to be considered because it is impossible to lump cars from 1900 and 1990 together. Even if, according to my argument, 1940 cannot be considered a 'historical' date, the pre-war date is too much in the mix to dismiss it, although 1950 would, in my opinion, be more 'automobile-like'. A second category would be 1950 to 1970; this is a category where a vehicle will not be used as a daily vehicle any time soon and will therefore be well preserved. The third category would be post-1970. A system of categories might be useful in future discussions with policymakers where doubts might arise about the more recent or polluting cars, thus threatening the totality. Sometimes a part must give way to the whole.

There will always be some dissatisfied people: with a fixed date it will be those who are waiting for the 20th or 30th anniversary; with a date that is always postponed, it will be the collectors of very old cars!

 

“Si la branche veut fleurir, qu'elle honore ses racines.” Frédéric Tatinga (If the branch wants to flourish, let it honour its roots.)

 

Words by Guy Mahy.

 

Sources: CCFA (Comité des constructeurs français d'automobiles); TRAXIO; Ministère de la Mobilité (B); Union Routière de France; Febiac.

 

 

Originally published: Wednesday November 17th, 2021

 

Publié:
jeudi décembre 9th, 2021
Michael Schlenger
11 Décembre 2021, 10:07
What exactly is wrong about Diesel cars (even historic ones)? To critizise them for being more pollutant is pure ideology - have you noticed that the air has become cleaner than ever over the past decades, even in Germany where Diesel cars have a particularly high share? There is no such thing like significant air pollution by Diesel cars - banning older ones from towns like Stuttgart for example has left the air quality completely unchanged. By the way, I don't drive Diesel cars, but I can understand why many people like or even need them. We must fight against the ideology behind the campaign against individual mobility for everyone which is taking place.
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Frederik E. Scherer
10 Décembre 2021, 07:33
It is dangerously short-sighted to still rely on the „we don’t pollute much“ scheme in order to keep the classic car world running. There is a much better reason why old cars need to stay on the road: They are a cultural heritage, a fact that is taken into account by the Charter of Turin: It’s a document that reminds us how important it is to change the way we treat these vehicles compared to what we have done for the past 30 to 50 years. With this in hand, we have a much better chance of coping with political decisions. Besides, the definition of „historical“ cited above doesn‘t help, nor is it appropriate, and I don‘t see why we should still discuss a fixed date. It‘s useless and an outdated idea. So, again: let‘s rather talk about cultural heritage, what it really is and how historic vehicles fit into this concept. It‘s the only reasonable chance we have.
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Greg Zimmer
28 Novembre 2021, 22:20
It might be easier to just start electing more enlightened people to represent the electorate. Once the current fashion of neo-socialism and man-made climate change is shown to be a formula for failure, saner heads might just prevail.
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Michael Schlenger
11 Décembre 2021, 10:14
Well put - we need to oppose the insane ideology that wats to ban petrol cars, completely. If one really wanted to do something about global air pollution one could reach huge results with a fraction of the efforts taking place in the developed world by simply upgrading and replacing out-of date power plants in the developing world. China and India as well as the exploding populations of Africa are key in this respect . If Europe believes it needs to achieve zero emissions this is insane , since it's completely irrelevant on a global scale and will only bereave the majority of people of affordable means of individual transport.
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John Vercoutre
22 Novembre 2021, 10:43
Why not simply charge the owner a higher tax the newer the Cars ,there is obviously a larger amount of the newer ?
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Michael Schlenger
11 Décembre 2021, 10:01
For what reason exactly should drivers of newer cars pay higher taxes?If they use their cars more often, they already pay more taxes on fuel. We shouldn't invite the government to rip off people even more as it already does.
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Christian Philippsen
22 Novembre 2021, 10:42
The definition of a ‘Historical car’, or a car of historical interest, or a ‘Collector’s car’, is of course essential for the preservation of our heritage and for more mundane and practical reasons. I recently had a private discussion with a member of the FIA about exactly that topic. We concluded that the current criteria were unsustainable and that a date-only selection was too radical. Trying to be practical, I summarized my suggestions as follows.
- We should not call into question what is existing, but rather be preparing for the future through a smooth evolution. Thus:
o All cars already registered as Collectors’ cars could remain so
o All cars registered before 1 January 1973 could be converted to Collector status if their owners so wish (I see the 1973 oil crisis as a turning point and, as rightly stated by Guy Mahy, the start of the growing polluting diesel market share – though several diesel-motorized models certainly deserve to be preserved)
o Any new classification as a Collectors’ car for models produced from 1 January 1973 onwards would be based on a list updated annually by the FIA and by the FIA representatives of the manufacturer's country concerned; this list would be drawn up taking into account such criteria as engineering, aesthetics and historical significance; requests could also be made on the initiative of private individuals or of associations or professional bodies.
- I feel that replicas of rare vehicles, a non-negligeable business activity, should not be ignored nor discarded. Therefore
o Replicas of cars already classified as Collectors’ cars and conforming to the specifications of the original models should be able to be registered as such under a special regime that does not grant them tax advantages but allows them to circulate without having to be equipped with modern devices (crash test, etc.); they should bear the double mark of the manufacturer of the replica completed with the make from which the replica was inspired (example: Pur Sang-Bugatti Type 35).
- Finally, in order to prepare for the preservation of vehicles still in production, manufacturers could be asked to keep a copy of each model they produce and to archive information on specifications, options, etc.
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In conclusion, based on current texts, the definition of a Collectors’ car could therefore become
- A mechanically propelled road vehicle
o Whose production has been discontinued
o Whose characteristics have become obsolete for technical, environmental or regulatory reasons and is no longer fit for the use for which it was originally designed
o Preserved and maintained in historically correct condition
o Preserved because of its technical and cultural interest
o Included in a list drawn up and updated annually by the FIA.
Whilst a replica would be
- A mechanically propelled road vehicle
o Whose characteristics correspond to those of a vehicle classified as a collector's vehicle
o Manufactured by the original manufacturer or by an independent workshop on the basis of certain mechanical components supplied by that manufacturer or taken from vehicles produced by that manufacturer or reproduced in conformity with the original components
o And included in a list drawn up and updated annually by the FIA.
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Christian Philippsen
November 2021
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Guy Mahy
22 Novembre 2021, 21:35
Most intresting ! I think we are on the same track... Thanks for these suggestions . Honestly as member and director of the Royal Veteran Car Club Belgium I am not in contact with FIA nor FIva and wonder how to progress in order to protect what is worth protecting...but it will work only if there is internationally a will to do so.
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David Scott
18 Novembre 2021, 10:57
From my experience, the investigations the FFVE make are by no means onerous, I have registered several obscure vehicles with them such is my interest in the unusual and obscure, and it's clear they never check up on even such simple things as chassis and engine numbers. Same with FIA papers to obtain , the old FIA Historic Passport, it had to be one of the original cars with known provenance and 100 % correspondence to the information in the homologation papers filed by the manufacturer, now so many fakes, clones, tributes and replicas are out there, all built to modern tolerances, with modern materials etc, the genuine old car is uncompetitive. But it's all very profitable for the replicar industry and the FIA!!!
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Keith K. Kuehn
17 Novembre 2021, 20:49
If the FFVE is issuing certificates like this, they are simply using certification as a way to raise capital, money. A cash cow is just that, a cash cow. Yes, another way to shoot themselves and who they are supposed to stand for in the foot.......but not surprizing to me.
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Lapie
17 Novembre 2021, 10:07
In France, 30 years old cars can get easily a "collector" registration which permits them to pass MOT every 5 years instead of 2 and so far, under certain conditions drive in low emission zones in few cities.
The Federation Française des Véhicules d'Epoque (FFVE) are easily delivering certificates to those vehicules which most of them have nothing to do in the collectors world.
This should be stopped as it will jeopardize all efforts made in the past to keep real collector cars on the road.
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