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The Holverta 4WD Mysteries ( update: Albert Holle)

The Holverta 4WD Mysteries ( update: Albert Holle)

  • The Holverta 4WD Mysteries ( update: Albert Holle)



Car historian Ivan Taylor writes: "I came across this photo a long while ago and so far have not been able to identify it. I wondered if your experts and readers can help me. It has a most unusual front suspension set up. I wonder if it is front wheel drive with separate electric motors on each wheel, if not what are they? Maybe some form of shock absorbers. The only link I have found is a man called Holverta.

While searching I was directed to a Youtube video "Nuevos Sistemas de Automoviles" (Editor: about a system deployed on an Alfa Romeo and Breda(?) from Milano). Take a look at it. This early 1920's film shows a car being demonstrated over tough up and down country for the army and other dignitaries present. It carries a GB plate XP7652 and looks larger than the one in th photo above. If you look closely it appears that it also may have rear wheel steering and is possibly 4.W.D. (Editor: the tube shaped forms suggest the use of a worm drive). Holverta evidently took out patents on a similar or maybe this car but I have drawn a blank on him, or his patents and car. I wonder why the front wheels are on such an angle, and also what sort of a steering lock it had. The radiator is a different shape also."

Publié:
lundi août 3rd, 2015

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Inconnu
09 Août 2015, 10:28
Holle article with pics in Road & Track about 1980.
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Inconnu
05 Août 2015, 06:26
Richard if you read my post 3 you will see that the Vulcan Motor works were located in Southport !
Trade plate or not FY is a Southport registration, I passed my Test in Southport, and for a while owned a Morris 1100 EFY 426 D a Southport registered car/
Stuart
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 15:54
Location is Spain, "Real Sitio de El Pardo".
http://www.patrimonionacional.es/real-sitio/palacios/6102
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 10:40
The 1925 date on that Spanish film appears to be wrong, BTW. The only trace I can find in period of King Alfonso visiting the United Kingdom was a private visit in early July 1926. Not all his engagements were reported in The Times, but he did visit Mooltan Barracks at Tidworth in his capacity as Colonel-in-Chief of the 16th/5th Lancers. He was described as being 'dressed in khaki' rather than the full dress uniform, which might have been expected, and would also fit the way he is dressed in the film. There's no mention of a vehicle demonstration, but it could have been on that occasion - alternatively, it might have been at the Tank and Tracked Transport Experiment Establishment in Farnborough, which was on a more or less direct route back to London from Tidworth.
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 10:03
Alexander Albert Holle (1872-19??) was actually Dutch and seems to be primarily known for his work on aircraft wings, particularly for originating the design known as the Alula Wing - he worked for a Dutch-owned London company called the Commercial Aeroplane Wing Syndicate Ltd and you can find several references to him in Flight between 1913 and 1922.

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/search.aspx?ArchiveSearchForm%24search=Holle&ArchiveSearchForm%24fromYear=1909&ArchiveSearchForm%24toYear=1930&x=52&y=10

Just a postscript to one of Stuart's posts - the registration plate shown in the Commercial Motor is of course a trade plate, not a regular one.
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 06:58
Found this link http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/12th-october-1926/54/driving-steering-and-br-ing-on-all-four-wheels
Looks like 4 wheel drive, independent suspension on all wheels with a single central differential and radiating drives to the round thing on the wheels. The picture might be one of the prototypes they refer to?
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 05:23
It is interesting that the 4WD / 4WS vehicle shown in the "Commercial Motor" magazine :
http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/12th-october-1926/54/driving-steering-and-br-ing-on-all-four-wheels

Shows a Southport registered Vehicle (0107 FY)

Holle's patent (may be in Thai) :
http://www.google.com/patents/US1818892
Stuart
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 05:15
The Patent by Albert Holle "

Patent US1818892 - Steering gear for motor driven vehicles ...
www.google.com/patents/US1818892Google
Inventors, Albert Holle Alexander ... Steering gear for motor driven vehicles ... Application for patent has beenmade in the following countries: Belgium 16th ...
Stuart
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 05:06
It would appear that this is not only 4WD but may relate to 4Wheel Steering also.
"A TYPE of vehicle almost revolutionary in its design, but which arduous tests have shown to be perfectly practicable, has recently been built by the Vulcan Motor and'Engineering Co. (1906), Ltd., of Crossens, Southport. This new vehicle is known as the HolvertaVulcan and is a development from the Holle, the invention of a Belgian gentleman of that name, the experimental model of which was built by French's Motor Engineering Works, Ltd., of Balham, London, S.W., and which was described in detail in the issue of The Commercial Motor dated October 16th, 1923."

See "the Commercial Motor" of October 1926 :

http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/12th-october-1926/54/driving-steering-and-br-ing-on-all-four-wheels

and details of the system at :

http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/12th-october-1926/54/driving-steering-and-br-ing-on-all-four-wheels

Much more to read
Stuart
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 01:25
Ivan is correct about the Holverta, but that is the system, not the man. The man was called Alexander Holle.

A full article and description can be found here

http://commercial-motor.archive.netcopy.co.uk/page/16th-october-1923/16

It was later adapted and made heavier for the Vulcan-Holverta
http://commercial-motor.archive.netcopy.co.uk/article/12th-october-1926/54/driving-steering-and-br-ing-on-all-four-wheels

That was certainly demonstrated to the military- this is a UK based trial
http://commercial-motor.archive.netcopy.co.uk/article/1st-march-1927/58/cross-country-vehicle-and
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Inconnu
04 Août 2015, 01:17
Ivan is correct about the Holverta but that was the system, not the man. The man was called Alexander Holle.
Take a look at Commercial Motor from 1923 for the same system
http://commercial-motor.archive.netcopy.co.uk/page/16th-october-1923/16


It is also very similar also to the later development, the Holverta-Vulcan although that was much heavier.
http://commercial-motor.archive.netcopy.co.uk/article/12th-october-1926/54/driving-steering-and-br-ing-on-all-four-wheels
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