Two Nose Chop Mysteries. (UPDATE V: cantilever rear springs ? Minerva?)

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Quite often we receive photos of cars that have their nose chopped off (at least in the photo) or otherwise show so little detail that identification is a mission impossible. Today's photos were sent by Brussels based dealer Bernard Marreyt.
Every car sleuth needs something to go on. The classy US tourer showing here has a US-feel to it, but that's about all...? Maybe the characteristic windshield arrangement or the hubcaps will ring a bell with you? Contact Us
UPDATE by Brendan Dillon:" the 2 holes in the vallance just above the running board, may be lubricating access points for cantilever springs.... that would discount french and spanish hispanos and possibly Delage. So i'm putting my two bob on Minerva."
UPDATE IV by Ivan Saxton:"It looks a long wheelbase car by proportion. Curatures on the top of the bonnet could match Hispano, Delage, or Excelsior; but the latter two are too small in proportion to the people except possibly the 6 litre GL. Has anyone seen a photograph of a twenties Hispano with anything other than wire wheels? Isotta Fraschini is the most likely possibility. There are 8 cylinder Isottas still about with disc, Sankey, and wood spoked wheels, as well as the same centre-lock wheels used by Hispano and Rudge 72mm wires. With Isotta the bonnet sides seem to have been the perogative of the coachbuilder, whereas for most makers the bonnet was mostly a standard style feature. The Tipo 8A from 1924 had a different shape that was more Grecian than the curved top of the Tipo 8. You have to look at a lot of photos in Anselmi's book on Isotta Fraschini, which is unfortunately very expensive if you did not get a copy 30 years ago. I suggest Tipo 8 Isotta is most likely."
UPDATE III: by Jens Hansen:"I think its a Minerva late twenties."
UPDATE II by Peter Ransom:"...right hand drive, Rudge Whitworth hubcaps, toolbox on the running board, low cut - or at least convertible - windscreen. The location of the grease point in the valance suggests cantilever rear suspension and the bonnet (hood) has the look of Delage about it."
UPDATE by Tom St.Martin: "I'm reasonably certain the first one from the late 20s to early 30s is not American. It is right hand drive for one and has a Michelin spare tire. I don't think even George Barris would have chopped that windshield that low."

Maybe the second nose-chop, showing a much older 1909 tourer, is easier. The proud owner is a Mr. Lucien Dor and we wouldn't be surprised if his car is a French high-end product. Expert Fons Alkemade is far from sure but says that the cowl and the sharp edged bonnet suggest that we possibly look at a Rochet Schneider (???) Contact Us

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