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What is it? Quiz #431


This is a Hershey trophy. One of the few photos we were lucky enough to find there. The seller told us that he still wondered what make of car is showing. We reassured him that the PrewarCar community probably wouldn't have too many issues identifying the car. That was bluff of course as this American made beauty is not the simplest quizcar ever. Better click the above picture to check the enlargement.

This carmaker is not particularly well known for making gasoline cars.  It has an elegant coal shuttle nose with the radiator low at the front. With the risk making this an easy quiz we like to mention the make was founded in Ohio. While the make survived only shortly, it would live on in combination with various other names. We are most curious to read your responses. And to be honest, mentioning the name and year is already a challenge. So anybody who can add some good information regarding make and technique of this particular car is a hero and is probably very close to winning the infamous PreWarCar T-shirt.
Yet before posting your comment, be sure to read the Rules under Read More. Have a great weekend. More Hershey memories to be published Wednesday & Thursday.

( photo collection editor) 

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vendredi octobre 14th, 2016
Inconnu
17 Octobre 2016, 02:16
Thr International Motor Car Company started producing the Toledo Steamer in 1901. it started promoting gasoline automobiles in 1903, and was acquired by the Pope Motor Car Company later that same year.
The 1903 Touring Car shown had a 3 cylinder engine said to deliver 18hp at 900 rpm. It included patent leather fenders, and a 16 gallon gas tank providing a range of 150 miles. They also offered 2 and 4 cylinder Toledo gas cars that same year.
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Inconnu
16 Octobre 2016, 23:15
I believe this car is the 1902 Toledo Tonneau. Set up in Toledo, Ohio by Albert Pope as the American Bicycle Co. in 1900, the company diversified into steam car manufacture before selling off the bicycle business and renaming itself as the International Motor Car Company in 1902 and introducing the 3 cylinder 16hp gasoline engine model shown in the photo, only called the Toledo for one year as a restyle for 1903 saw the car renamed Pope-Toledo
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Inconnu
16 Octobre 2016, 23:13
In addition to my answer on quiz # 431 the following
Lieutenant Colonel Albert Augustus Pope (Union Army, Civil War) was a transportation entrepreneur began importing and making bicycles and building cars. His bicycles were sold under the names Columbia, American, Cleveland, Imperial, Crescent, Monarch and Tribune. His name was given to a motorcycle brand only two years after his death in 1909. In the automobile industry his name was incorperated in the brands Pope-Toledo, Pope-Robinson, Pope-Waverly, Pope-Hartford and Pope Tribune(s) and ranged from steam-powered cars to electric cars and gasoline-powered ones. He had plants in Connecticut, Indiana, Illinois and Ohio.
Fried Stol (I’m a three times winner/jury member)
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Inconnu
16 Octobre 2016, 22:52
The car is most likely a 1903 18 h.p. Toledo Gasoline Touring car, built by the International Motor Car Co. of Toledo, Ohio, and advertised in journals like the Horseless Age in early 1903. Toledo had previously built steam cars.

Beware, however, that the car may be something entirely different. The American Bicycle Co. (often referred to by the press of the day as "The Bicycle Trust" - in the nastiest possible way) was formed in 1899 by clever, rich people involved with the bicycle industry to try to salvage something from the catastrophic crash of the industry in the late 1890s. The ABC was doomed from the beginning: almost all the businesses that joined the trust wanted payment in cash rather than shares in the new company. Some companies making cars were caught up in the ABC, and these were organised, within the ABC into the International Motor Car Co. Elsewhere in the ABC motorcycles were produced from 1902. Exactly the same machine was marketed under no fewer than SEVEN brands (Columbia, Crescent, Tribune, Imperial, Monarch, Cleveland, Rambler). In 1903, Rambler, Crescent, Imperial and Monarch motorcycles were completely different beasts, sourced from a different manufacturer, while the Columbia, Tribune and Cleveland stuck to the 1902 design.

In late 1903, Col. A. A. Pope (who had sold his companies to the ABC in 1899, been a director of the ABC, quit as director, bought back in to the ABC, and acted as Receiver for the ABC) finally bought the rubble of the ABC at a tiny fraction of the 1899 capitalisation. Sound dodgy? Mmm... In September 1903 Pope had formed a new Pope Mfg Co, and ordered all ex-ABC businesses to change the branding to "Pope Mfg Co" as soon as practically possible. Thus Pope-Toledo from late 1903.

This may explain why there are Toledo Gasoline cars that look NOTHING like our quiz car, and why we shouldn't rule out that our quiz car carried another of the ABC/International Motor Car Co. brands.

Leon Mitchell
Adelaide
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Inconnu
16 Octobre 2016, 18:21
Hello what a great find! First guess is TOLEDO based on your clues. Hershey was so much fun this year. I have to but\y a fantastic photo I've wanted for years that my old dentist had in his office. Why can't money grow on trees in my back yard? Bob
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Inconnu
16 Octobre 2016, 13:26
1902 3 cyl 16hp Toledo Gasoline Rear Entrance Touring
In 1900, Albert Pope and Albert Spaulding, merged their bicycle companies. Their American Bicycle Company started the production of steam-powered automobiles in Toledo, Ohio. Their first attempt, was available in two models, the Westchester and the Toledo. By the close of 1901, the name of the company had changed to 'Toledo.' and the name Westchester was dropped. In 1902 they introduced their first gasoline powered car. In 1903 the name was changed again, because the company was taken over by the Pope Motor Car Company and all models were called Pope-Toledo.
Fried Stol (I’m a three times winner/jury member)
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Inconnu
15 Octobre 2016, 20:01
It is the 1903 Cleveland Tourer, powered by a 15 hp two-cylinder engine. It was built by the Cleveland Automobile Company, founded by A.L.Moore who formerly built the Sperry Electric. Along with the two-cylinder Cleveland built a single-cylinder from 1902 to 1904, joined by a four in 1904 which was the company's last year of existence. Engines were built by Moore's Cleveland Machine Screw Company.
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Inconnu
15 Octobre 2016, 08:46
Established in 1897 by the Clark family, the Autocar Company was set up in neighboring Ardmore in 1901. From the beginning Autocars were powered by opposed two-cylinder engines, Autocars were among the first to use chain drive, The Clark brothers, Lewis, John and James. They were given financial backing from their father Charles and William Morgan.
The car shown is a circa 1906,
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Inconnu
15 Octobre 2016, 08:43
I believe the car is a Hoffman built in Cleveland, Ohio between 1901-1904. the company initially made steam cars, but quickly switched over to petrol. This exemple is probably their 8hp model.
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Inconnu
15 Octobre 2016, 04:17
As a wild guess I will say a Pope Toledo of 1903 because it has a steering wheel. And please be respectful with the use of the word hero.
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